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webofevil ([personal profile] webofevil) wrote2005-07-24 12:28 am
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Wrong one down

You don't need me to tell you that the death—the execution—of an innocent man on the Underground is a disaster. Still, here I am anyway.

One thing I have to stand by, though, however hard it is to swallow, is the decision to fire. Jean Charles de Menezes was, at that moment, a suspected bomber, and the second he ran on to that train the officers’ range of options dwindled to a single point. It’s not the man who pulled the trigger who should bear the brunt of the shitstorm that’s about to fall—although he's almost certainly the one who'll be charged—but the people who provided the “intelligence” and “leadership” that led straight down to Stockwell’s northbound platform.

Incidentally, that’s how you get to my station from Stockwell. Oval is the next station north. That's the route New York Boy took on Thursday, when he tried to blow himself up next to a mother and child, at the station next door to where I live. This is a big part of the reason my initial reaction on hearing of the shooting was relief. Like many people—including, apparently, every single news editor—I assumed this had to be one of the suspects. Stockwell, for God’s sake, it had to be, too much of a coincidence. But then clearly the police were also operating on assumptions.

They say he emerged from a house they were surveilling in Tulse Hill. They followed him to the Tube, where they challenged him. He panicked and vaulted the barrier, and the rest, we know the rest. Was it a shared house? Had he, as he was an electrician, been working there? Were there any other conceivable reasons for his presence? If they thought he was that much of a potential threat, why didn't they intercept him before he got to a crowded Tube station? Why didn’t they surround him, then or before? How did it get so out of control so fast? I don't want to be too much of an armchair general, but these questions have to be asked. And some answers wouldn't go amiss.

If, as the Daily Mail salivated, these officers are “SAS-trained”, is that potentially more of a problem than a benefit? Possibly so, if, the first time the police’s unpublished guidelines on how to react to a suspected suicide bomber in a public place are put into action, an innocent man is shot in the head. The SAS pride themselves on playing by “big boys’ rules”—you want to carry weapons and play soldiers, you accept the risks. De Menezes was doing neither, which perhaps the training should take into account.

Even before today I was worried that, for all the talk of London “standing united", the ultimate objective of splitting our society along its faultlines and pitting people of different faiths against each other might well be reached. Just in case foreign capitalists don’t depart en masse from the Middle East, Israel isn’t suddenly destroyed, Britain doesn’t convert to Islam and no-one reinstates the 1924 Turkish Caliphate, a permanent religious war would make an acceptable Plan B. British Muslims discovering that the state has given its footsoldiers the nod to gun down any of them looking like they might get a bit tasty could just nudge us all that bit closer.

The Brazilian foreign minister is flying to Britain to hear an explanation for de Menezes’ death direct from Jack Straw. On my list of “meetings I really wouldn’t like to have to attend”, that’s straight in at number fucking one.



You’ve got to admit, he looks a bit like an Arab





EDIT: De Menezes’ brother has apparently compared the killing of his brother to the killing of “25,000 innocent people in Iraq”. The silly sausage. US and allied troops have of course only killed around 9,500 people in Iraq, though fans will be pleased to note that this still roundly trounces the approximately 2,500 people killed by actual insurgents—almost four times as many. That’s good shootin’, soldier!

Hmmm

(Anonymous) 2005-07-24 09:45 am (UTC)(link)
Am I right in thinking that the 9,500 are primarily military targets (i.e. capable of shooting back) whereas the 2,500 are primarily 'innocent' (i.e. unfortunate passers by)? Moral calculus with figures rarely proves anything.

[identity profile] strictlytrue.livejournal.com 2005-07-24 10:27 am (UTC)(link)
US and allied troops have of course only killed around 9,500 people in Iraq, though fans will be pleased to note that this still roundly trounces the approximately 2,500 people killed by actual insurgents

What's perhaps most impressive about this figure is that despite having no access to cluster bombs, uranium-tipped shells, night-sights, Warrior APCs, Challenger tanks, stealth bombers, helicopter gunships - or anything else other than automatic rifles and explosive - the insurgents have managed to finish off a third the number killed by the coalition forces. That's good shootin' "freedom fighters!"

[identity profile] amuchmoreexotic.livejournal.com 2005-07-24 10:49 am (UTC)(link)
They've killed 9,500 enemy combatants. They don't count how many civilians are killed as a matter of policy. The Iraqbodycount.net estimate of civilian deaths (based on media reports) is indeed about 25,000. However, that probably includes civilians killed by insurgents as well as the Coalition. And estimates from demographic data suggest the death toll is 100,000 or more.

[identity profile] webofevil.livejournal.com 2005-07-24 01:25 pm (UTC)(link)
The 9,500 and 2,500 figures were a slight rounding-up (allowing for time) of the numbers in the Iraq Body Count report. If they turn out to be above the actual numbers, they're unlikely to be so for long.

The 25,000-ish estimate is of all civilian deaths; within that, 9% were killed by insurgents, while 37% were killed by the good guys.

Given that the Americans aren't detonating explosive-laden cars in crowded civilian areas every day, their hefty percentage is still pretty impressive. Good shootin', boys!

I've fixed that link to the Iraq Body Count site, but here's some of the pertinent figures anyway.
Who was killed?

* 24,865 civilians were reported killed in the first two years.
* Women and children accounted for almost 20% of all civilian deaths.
* Baghdad alone recorded almost half of all deaths.

When did they die?

* 30% of civilian deaths occurred during the invasion phase before 1 May 2003.
* Post-invasion, the number of civilians killed was almost twice as high in year two (11,351) as in year one (6,215).

Who did the killing?

* US-led forces killed 37% of civilian victims.
* Anti-occupation forces/insurgents killed 9% of civilian victims.
* Post-invasion criminal violence accounted for 36% of all deaths.
* Killings by anti-occupation forces, crime and unknown agents have shown a steady rise over the entire period.

What was the most lethal weaponry?

* Over half (53%) of all civilian deaths involved explosive devices.
* Air strikes caused most (64%) of the explosives deaths.
* Children were disproportionately affected by all explosive devices but most severely by air strikes and unexploded ordnance (including cluster bomblets).

[identity profile] lowlowprices.livejournal.com 2005-07-26 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
I have some questions (please be patient with me - until a few weeks ago I was all prepared for a summer of stories about missing school girls, hosepipe bans and ice cream with Berlusconi).

Did I imagine it, or did the news that an innocent man - or at least someone with no connection with the failed bombs - flash across the ticker on the BBC early on Friday evening?

Did Blair go to the House immediately after the first attacks? If not, why not? Did anyone think he should have done?

What's the range of estimates for the number of active terrorists in the UK? How many are foreign and how many domestic?

Who should I punch?